I am pretty sure Mitt Romney doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the republican nomination. At least I hope I am right about that. For any of my readers who have lived or live in Utah you probably know why, no matter who is elected, if a mormon is ever elected president of the US we will be in serious trouble. If they are a lay or excommunicated mormon fine, but if they are a member in good standing with a current temple recommend then their loyalties lie with their church and their god, not with the good of the people. I know this doesn't seem to make them different from the current fundamental freaks, but if you know and understand the LDS temple endowment ceremony it IS different.
In the LDS endowment ceremony the faithful take several oaths. Among them is the "law of consecration". The Law of Consecration requires "that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." (Source Mormon Temples and Temple Rituals by Richard Packham).
Members will try to convince you that the law of consecration only applies to monetary belongings and is only talking about tithing and community service to "the church" (such as missions). However, when looked at closely it also states that EVERYTHING that god gives to the member (including political power) must be used to help build up "the church" and help establish Zion. Non members in Utah who have never researched "the church" will have a tendency to bitch about the fact that we live in a lds theocracy here without fully knowing that our local politicians are only living by an oath they swear in a secret, creepy, religious ceremony. They are only being good sheeple.
Now, imagine a president of the US who takes this church oath. Imagine them working for the establishment of Zion on a national level instead of just the local level they do here. Scary huh?
Thursday, November 8, 2007
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Even Fundies might get their panties in a wad if this hair piece got the nod!
I have thought about this very thing from the minute Romney (a very common Mormon name) declared his nomination.
If they are a lay or excommunicated mormon fine, but if they are a member in good standing with a current temple recommend then their loyalties lie with their church and their god, not with the good of the people.
As a recovering Mormon I know this to be true. I have also gone through the temple ceremony and know all too well that what you say is true. They use to take the oath that included a part where they vocally agree not to confess any of what is said in there by dragging their thumb across their neck and saying that if they do so may their throat be slit. They still make that strong oath but not in such a graphic way.
I find it scarily amusing that they believe in the "Law of Consecration" yet condemn anything that might look like socialism. They are for it but just for their members.
The whole blood atonement part is very scary as well James, essentially saying they should die if they break these "laws".
"Law of Consecration" yet condemn anything that might look like socialism."
Yet they practiced one of the purest forms of socialism during Brigham Young's time.
Oh the irony...
there's NO WAY this guy, Mitt, is gonna be president. No freakin' way. Now if Mormonism (as of 2000 http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/religion/mormon.gif) becomes greater than, say Baptists, (again as of 2000, http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo200/religion/baptist.gif) we just might have a problem....wow that's scary...
Mormons are proof that drugs have been around a long time. Do I want these dicks running are country...Hell no! I have enough of small minded madman.
Great post! This is true, whatever Romney does, he does for his church.
Because so many American Christian fundamentalists view the LDS church as a cult, I doubt that Romney would be able to hoodwink very many of them into voting for him with his family values crap. Once they discover his values are very tightly related to the Mormon church, they'll decide to steer clear.
It might only take a few well-publicized questions of Mitt in which he has to answer about things like the Law of Consecration. He might get some kind of sympathy support at first, because the mean ol' "liberal media" would be picking on his faith, persecuting him, whatever... but publicly questioning him about all his Mormon beliefs and exposing how they aren't part of the American social mainstream might be the best way to get the word out about him. If more Americans know more about the LDS church (and they are bound to know more during the next 6-8 months), Mitt won't have a chance.
If he was publicly questioned about the Law of Consecration, it would put him in a wonderfully tight place. He wouldn't be able to publicly deny the Law or attempt to water down its severity because he would face intense scrutiny from his church, yet if he didn't deny it or try to water it down, it could cost him millions of potential votes.
Two new visitors. Great to have you here Vamp Diverl and Snave!
And if any of you get a chance Snave has a great post about the apocalypse christian freaks, check it out!
I actually spent a good amount of time at work today reviewing the whole endowment ceremony stuff.
Jesus H. Christ in a Chicken Basket!
That is some profoundly twisted stuff!
Magic underwear, chef hats, Masonry aprons, secret handshakes and just a dash of olive oil.
Great Googly Moogly!
I just love the way the Mormons try to pass themselves off as just another Christian faith. No more different from a Baptist than a Methodist is from a Lutheran. We all believe in Jesus so we're all mostly the same...just Christians.
Umm, no.
Mainstream Christians don't think that Adam and Eve lived in Gallatin, MO or that Jesus is going to come back to rule from Methdependence and maybe use Harry Truman's home as kind of a guest house for out of town worshippers.
I would LOVE to see the news media start asking him pointed and specific questions about his faith. When he complains that he is being singled out, they should start asking all of the other candidates equally specific and pointed questions about THEIR faiths. Let's get this BS out in the open for some public scrutiny!
For every candidate that claims to believe in God, I think we have a right to know which denomination they belong to, what the tenents of that faith are, and whether they subscribe to each and every one of those articles of faith, or if they cherry pick?
Do they tithe? Does their 10% tithe jive with what they claim on their income tax return? Are they cheating the church or the state?
The voting public has a right to know just how silly and gullible (or manipulating and hypocritical) the candidates are.
XO
The book of mormon is actually a pretty amusing read if you read it for the work of fiction it is. Then you realize how many people read it and think "huh, this must be true" then it gets creepy.
DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM...
I did read somewhere that there are supposedly a disproportionate number of Mormons in Govt agencies like the CIA
Sean,
I believe you are correct, but I think that is because of the language skills taught to missionaries. They have to learn foreign languages like english and australian. *shit eating grin*.
why does "one of us one of us" come to mind?
XO: I agree with you. Perhaps if all of this was in the open, more people might think twice about how they vote.
Sean & Poodles: Their foreign language skills are a huge asset for the intelligence community.
Xavier:
Not ONLY do they wear the odd get-ups in their temple but they make the women veil themselves at one point in the ceremony.
SO. I'd like someone to specifically ask Mitt if he thinks women wearing the bee keeper suit in some Muslim countries is exploitative of women?
And if he does, (as I'm sure he would, being a good little Republican gestapo member and all) then the follow up question should be, "Then why do you make women veil themselves in one of your temple ceremonies??"
Mitt is a major snake in the grass and it frightens me that people like him because "he's run a business." Really? Isn't that the problem?? That we've been running the govt for the last 8 years like a business by privatizing everything???
I may have mentioned this before here at Poodles' place but the story in my family is that one of my ancestors, Spaulding, wrote the Mormon "bible" as a work of fiction and Joe Smith basically stole it. When I mention this to the Mormons they clam up in a hurry or claim I'm full of shit.
Good job!
Check out
romneyforpresident.townhall.com
Like Mormonism, the blog isn't what it seems. (The guy even linked to you!)
(Funny photos too!)
Thanks for the info anonymous. That is a funny site.
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